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In my mind, there is no new teaching than what is told in Upanishads. The biggest abuse / disrepsectful act one can do to a guru is to say that the guru taught a new method / teaching - which is what most people unknowingly do attributing new method  / teaching to a new age guru.

A real guru will be deeply hurt by such a statement (that he / she advised a new method) whereas all that a true guru tries is to bring you closer to the Supreme Truth already expounded in all its majesty in Upanishads.

Regarding Bhagawan, I hate when people tell me Ramana Bhagawan taught a "new method" called self enquiry. Bhagawan would be deeply hurt by such statements I am sure.


"Ego feeds on being right and making others wrong. The need to be right is the grand master of ego consciousness"

- Unknown Author

Dear Udai,

I will reject your thoughts, because you have not grasped the whole essence of Shankara as yet! For if you truly did, you would not be wasting all your energies thus.

I have read most of Shankara's works inicluding Panchadasi, but i ought right reject your way of conveying. If you truly grasped the true essence of Shankara you would not be so polarizing!

A wrong is wrong, even if Shiva opens his third eye!

Your essence if wrong!


I thought Panchadasi was by Swami Vidyaranya. No?

On a light note - Nice dialogue from 40 year old Thiruvilayadal Tamil Movie :) - "Netrikann thurappilum kutram kutrame" ( Even if third eye is opened a crime is a crime) as told to Shiva :)


:) Nagaraj garu

I just responded to the following statement by Ravi and used the same words. Your point is valid. That is exactly what I wrote above about criticizing and rejecting texts.

Written by Ravi Ji
Do we give the same credit to maharshi patanjali?


Yes of course. You need to give the same credit to Patanjali too. No doubts on that. No need to be selective.



Nothing is "narrow" or "broad". Various scriptures talk about various ways and methods. No scriptures claims to talk complete and whole. So it is up to us to accept what we find as leading us to the goal of Supreme Truth and not accept others. So let us not reject great texts like Panchadasi saying "sectarian" and "narrow" etc. I humbly believe none of us in this forum are greater than Vidyaranya Swamigal to reject his ideas as narrow and sectarian. So if we dont understand, let us say so. If we dont like let us say so. If we find it too hard to accept, let us say so. If we find it too complex, let us say so. Rejecting great men and their works as narrow and sectarian will not serve any purpose in our sadhana - I can assure you. NO need to be amused and reject texts like Panchadasi as narrow and sectarian and take it that far into rejection mode.

Again, Let us accept that goal is one and paths are a million. There may be narrows roads, broad roads, tough roads, easy roads, beautiful roads, ugly roads etc.. all leading to the destination.

Best of luck

Yoga vasista confirms the same through the story of Brigu. It clearly shows how the vasanas remain intact even after a thousand years into nirvikalpa samadhi. The conversations between Lord Yama and Brigu is fantastic too.


Loud and clear !! Here is Swami Krishnananda's explanation for these verses too

Vairāgyo paratī pūrṇe bodhastu prati badhyate, yasya tasya na mokṣo’sti puṇya loka stapo balāt (283). Suppose vairagya is there, great detachment is there. He is not concerned with anything and he is not involved in action, but knowledge is obstructed. For such a person, there is no moksha. Therefore, mere austerity is no good. Keeping quiet without doing anything is also of no utility. It is wisdom, illumination, that is necessary. If we have the other two qualities but no knowledge, we will not get moksha. We may go to heaven or some higher region because of the great austerity that we have performed, so it is not useless, but moksha is far off.

Pūrṇe bodhe tadanyau dvau pratibaddhau yadā tadā, mokṣo viniścitaḥ kintu dṛṣṭa duḥkhaṁ na naśyati (284). Suppose a person is completely illumined, but he is not putting forth any special effort to detach himself from things or from action which is the usual concomitant of the physical existence. Very busy he is, doing work, and he is not bothered about austerity, etc., but inwardly he is illumined. Such a person will certainly have no rebirth. He will attain moksha, no doubt. But because of his entanglement in things, he will have some suffering in the world also. So we can choose whichever one we like.

General topics / Re: Is Jnaan through sadhana or study of scriptures?
« on: March 15, 2013, 02:31:13 PM »
From Talks with Ramana Maharshi

"Objects perceived by the senses are spoken of as immediate knowledge(pratyaksha). Can anything be as direct as the Self -- always experienced without the aid of the senses? Sense-perceptions can only be indirect knowledge, and not direct knowledge. Only one's own awareness is direct knowledge, as is the common experience of one and all. No aids are needed to know one's own Self, i.e., to be aware. The one Infinite Unbroken Whole (plenum) becomes aware of itself as 'I'. This is its original name. All other names, e.g., OM, are later growths. Liberation is only to remain aware of the Self. The mahavakya 'I am Brahman' is its authority. Though the 'I' is always experienced, yet one's attention has to be drawn to it. Then only knowledge dawns. Thus the need for the instruction of the Upanishads and of wise sages."

D.: Gandhiji adhered to satya (Truth) so long and won realisation of the Self.

M.: What is satya except the Self? Satya is that which is made up of sat. Again sat is nothing but the Self. So Gandhiji’s satya is only the Self. Each one knows the Self but is yet ignorant. The person is enabled to realise only after hearing the mahavakya. Hence the Upanishadic text is the eternal Truth to which everyone who has realised owes his experience. After hearing the Self to be the Brahman the person finds the true import of the Self and reverts to it whenever he is diverted from it. Here is the whole process of Realisation.

General topics / Re: Is Jnaan through sadhana or study of scriptures?
« on: March 15, 2013, 12:37:44 PM »
Subramanian sir - Fantastically answered debunking some popular myths about Ramana Bhagawan. Thanks !!

Friends - I dont want to debate on this topic, as I am always least interested in the marga, but only keen on lakshya. Marga comes and goes and changes as you travel towards lakshya - guru will appear automatically to guide you on the marga in many forms. Showing you infinite paths to lakshya is yet another game of the all powerful infinite supreme Maya.

However, I want to add an example. Once in a while in news paper you see some news which says a boy of 14 passed in IIT without any formal learning etc etc news. It would be very foolish of me to see that news and then not educate my son - thinking he will pass the same way. Such rare stars occur once in a blue moon. Assuming myself to be that is one of the biggest foolish acts I can commit. Such flowers and stars come out of their own - not due to their own will and karma. They are avataras. No point in me trying to imitate an avatara - I will fall down to even lower levels of vasanas if I do that mistake.



No hard feelings please -- now my head is simply whirling going through this discussion of Tripura Rahasya.
:) This is the problem you land up with when you try to study some important Scriptures / Text on your own without the help of a proper Guru .


General Discussion / Something out of nothing???
« on: March 15, 2013, 09:37:31 AM »
I always feel sorry for scientific community these days - though I clearly understand that this is also an inevitable play of Supreme Maya :)

Says - "It helps solve one of the most fundamental riddles of the universe: how the Big Bang created something out of nothing 13.7 billion years ago."

Is it not first grade student logic that something cannot be created from nothing ??? What amazes me the most is that how come greatest of greatest scientists dont get this right.


General topics / Re: Is Jnaan through sadhana or study of scriptures?
« on: March 15, 2013, 09:21:42 AM »
Excellent article. Thanks, Atmavichar-ji.

General topics / Re: Swami Chinmayananda collections from archive
« on: March 14, 2013, 11:01:10 AM »
Thanks, Krishna. I think the links I had saved long back are from that site you posted only.


General topics / Swami Chinmayananda collections from archive
« on: March 14, 2013, 10:17:35 AM »

Anyone interested can download. It is recording in swamiji's own majestic voice :) from old collections.

Bhaja Govindam Talks -
Bhagavad Gita discourses -
Kaivalya Upanishad discourses -
Narada Bhakthi Sutra discourses -
Mandukya Upanishad discourses -
Vakya Vritti discourses -
Sadhana Panchakam discourses -
Science of Spirituality Talk Videos -


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