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Ravi.N

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Our Bhagavan-Comments
« on: April 15, 2012, 08:26:01 AM »
Friends,
Please post your comments on Our Bhagavan-Stories or any other related comment here.
Namaskar.

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 09:35:11 AM »
In the bird's egg story which Bhagawan "re-created" the egg with wet towel and his tender, I am not sure if Bhagawan would say : "Look, What I have done", "Relieved from sin" etc. All of us who know Bhagawan know very well that he has no concept of "I" or "causing sin" etc doing an action. What do you all think? It is very much possible that the story writer from where this is quoted may have quoted it this way.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 11:26:06 AM »
sanjaya,
This is the Humanity of Bhagavan.This is the Beauty of it all that if the infinite cannot afford to be limited,how can he be the Infinite!This is why in 'Ramana stuti Panchakam'  Satyamangalam Venkataramayyar sings-'jeevanum sivanum onRAi thekkiya kulathinAn'-Means one who belongs to the class that  encompasses Humanity and divinity in oneself!This is the most charming and wonderful aspect of sri Bhagavan.He is utterly human and never considers himself as 'The Great Rishi' who does nothing 'wrong' and who cannot do anything 'wrong'.He always puts himself as one of us!What a great Human being.It is this aspect that completely bowls me and stupefies me.

"Lord Ramana! I sought your holy feet. You are unfailing
knowledge, silence and the Supreme beyond all thought. Your
heart is the centre that unifies the individual and Supreme
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You are the ultimate Reality beyond birth and death."    -Ponnolir Pathu verse 9

We need to only recall that Sri T K Sundaresa Iyer is a Great devotee of Sri Bhagavan and even granting that he may not have reproduced the exact words of Bhagavan,we may always have trust that he would have certainly captured the spirit and essence of what Sri Bhagavan said.I will post another similiar incident when Bhagavan in going after the Giant Banyan tree happened to disturb the Hornets nest .How Muruganar asked him as to why he should punish himself by exposing himself to the sting of the Hornets when he had only accidentally disturbed their nest.The Reply that Sri Bhagavan gave is so moving and so typical of him.

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 01:50:56 PM »
Dear ramana,

Yes. Sri Bhagavan said those words. He said as if He is a normal human being. He expressed all the genuine feelings
of a normal human being. Because as PonnoLir Pathu says, He was both Jiva and Siva combined. What else can be a Jivan
Mukta? He was sometimes like a mirror. When Echammal cried before Him for loss of her foster daughter, after delivering
a baby, Sri Bhagavan also cried, cried rather uncontrollably. When G.V. Subbaramayya lost his wife and came after 10
days to Asramam, Sri Bhagavan empathized with his sorrow and loss by keeping quiet and gracefully gazed at him. Of course
in this case, neither GVS nor Sri Bhagavan cried. But the soothing effect became operational by Sri Bhagavan's Grace.

It is this Karunai - that He expresses when Arunachala embraced Him. karunaiyal ennai Anda nee.....(Padigam 1)

Arunachala Siva.           

sanjaya_ganesh

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 04:01:43 PM »
Very insightful comments, sirs. This perspective is new to me :) about bhagawan. Thanks.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 04:50:51 PM »
Related to "CAN A CRACKED EGG BE HATCHED?"

:) If an egg has a very small crack - thread like crack, does that get healed --- like our bones ?
just curious !

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2012, 04:57:04 PM »
Dear srkudai,

It does not happen normally. Because the bacteria enters through the cracked portion and spoils the yolk. In my balcony, it happened for a dove. The dove's egg got dropped (not due to me) and it had a crack. I also protected it with a wet kerchief. But the bacteria did the work inside the yolk and the egg got smelling after a few days. 

Only Sri Bhagavan, apart from that physical act of keeping a wet towel around the egg and also gazed at it. The grace did the
miracle.  We are not Sri Bhagavan! When I am myself begging for the grace of Sri Bhagavan, what grace can I give to a cracked egg?

Arunachala Siva.     

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2012, 04:59:54 PM »
Dear Subramanian ji,
 :) humm! Nice understanding!
should we term it a miracle or just natural grace [meaning chances are very low but possibility is not zero] ?

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 07:13:15 AM »
Dear srkudai

My take is that the Prarabdha karma of the life inside the egg made it come alive. And who controls that - none other than the supreme brahman's maya. So how does it matter who becomes the reason for that :) ? Is it not all miracles of Brahman? And someone who is Brahman without the maya cover aroud it - is Brahman himself. So I think humbly that it would be a mistake to attribute it as an "individual" miracle from an ego sense.

When you are Brahman itself embodied, you will not have any desires for yourself. But any sankalpa you get is the sankalpa of Brahman itself to effect the karma drama - not an individual's sankalpa in the sense we do it normally. So there is no miracle in maya world, because everything is a miracle  :)

-Sanjay
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 01:57:13 PM »
Dear sanjya_ganesh,

Brahman's miracles operate through Brahma Jnanis.

That is how Lazarus came alive from death - Jesus.

The young boy Ramana (not Sri Bhagavan) who died due to snake sting came alive on Sri Bhagavan's touch.

That is why when Seshadri Swami pulled the ears of an old lady, a devotee of Seshadri, got a diamond ear stud!

That is how Swami Vivekananda felt the shock when Sri Ramakrishna touched him and his faith in Sri Ramakrishna grew in
great measure.

Arunachala Siva.     

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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 02:16:26 PM »
Nagaraj/Subramanian,
Thanks for the comments on Kannappa Nayanar.I Request you to post your comments here so that the other thread we will have stories on Sri Bhagavan.
Namaskar.

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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 02:21:26 PM »
Dear Sir,

here it is -

திருக்காளத்தி

பத்தும் புகுந்து பிறந்து வளர்ந்துபட் டாடைசுற்றி,
முத்தும் பவளமும் பூண்டோடி யாடி முடிந்தபின்பு
செத்துக் கிடக்கும் பிணத்தரு கேயினிச் சாம்பிணங்கள்
கத்துங் கணக்கெண்ன? காண்கயிலாபுரிக் காளத்தியே! 1

பொன்னாற் பிரயோசனம் பொன்படைத் தார்க்குண்டு; பொன்படைத்தோன்
தன்னாற் பிரயோசனம் பொன்னுக்கங் கேதுண்டு? அத்தன்மையைப்போ
உன்னாற் பிரயோசனம் வேணதெல்லாம் உண்டுஉனைப் பணியும்
என்னாற் பிரயோசன மேதுண்டு? காளத்தி யீச்சுரனே! 2

வாளால் மகவரிந்து ஊட்டவல்லேன் அல்லேன்; மாதுசொன்ன
சூளாலிளமை துறக்கவல்லேன் அல்லன்; தொண்டுசெய்து
நாளாறில் கண்ணிடத்து அப்பவல்லேன் அல்லன்நான் இனிச்சென்று
ஆளாவது எப்படியோ திருக்காளத்தி அப்பருக்கே? 3

முப்போது மன்னம் புசிக்கவுந் தூங்கவு மோகத்தினாற்
செப்போ திளமுலை யாருடன் சேரவுஞ் சீவன்விடு
மப்போது கண்கலக்கப் படவும் வைத்தா யையனே,
எப்போது காணவல்லேன்? திருக்காளத்தி யீச்சுரனே. 4

இரைக்கே யிரவும் பகலுந் திரிந்திங் கிளைத்துமின்னார்
அரைக்கே யவலக் குழியரு கேயசும் பார்ந்தொழுகும்
புரைக்கே யுழலுந் தமியேனை யாண்டருள், பொன்முகலிக்
கரைக்கேகல் லால நிழற்கீ ழமர்ந்தருள் காளத்தியே. 5

நாறுங் குதிரைச் சலதாரை தோற்புரை நாடொறுஞ்சீழ்
ஊறு மலக்குழி காமத்துவார மொளித் திடும்புண்
தேறுந் தசைப்பிளப் பந்தரங் கத்துள சிற்றின்பம்விட்டு
ஏறும் பதந்தரு வாய் திருக்காளத்தி யீச்சுரனே. 6


Salutations to Bhagavan
मनश्चेन्न लग्नं गुरोरंघ्रिपद्मे ततः किं ततः किं ततः किं ततः किम् ।।

Manaschenna lagnam Gurorangri padme, Thatha kim Thathah Kim, Thathah kim Thathah kim

If the mind does not remain at the Lotus feet of Guru, What is the use? What is the use? What is the use!!

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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 03:11:56 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

Yes. Thank you. The Verse 3 speaks of the three great Nayanmars whose feat cannot be done by me, says Ramalinga Swamigal.

You know, in his last days, Ramalinga Swamigal was in dhyana in a closed hall (Siddhi Mantapam, in Karunguzhi near Chidambaam)
asking his devotees to open the doors on the 48th day. On the 48th day, when the door was opened, not even a speck of body remained. Ramalinga Swamigal had dissolved himself in the five elements.

Arunachala Siva.     

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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2012, 03:27:15 PM »
Nagaraj,
Thanks very much for the songs of pattinathar,so very typical of him-stark and blunt.

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திருக்காளத்தி

பத்தும் புகுந்து பிறந்து வளர்ந்துபட் டாடைசுற்றி,
முத்தும் பவளமும் பூண்டோடி யாடி முடிந்தபின்பு
செத்துக் கிடக்கும் பிணத்தரு கேயினிச் சாம்பிணங்கள்
கத்துங் கணக்கெண்ன? காண்கயிலாபுரிக் காளத்தியே!

CORPSES  OF  TOMORROW

 

 

          Staying in the mother’s womb

                      for ten months at a stretch,

          he arrived in this world

                      and lived in flamboyance,

          decked in silken finery

                      and pearls and coral.

 

                                              And having played his role,

                                                          he is now dead and gone,

                                                                    while his body is lying there

                                                                                awaiting cremation!

 

                                How strange is it, my Lord,

                                            that the corpses of tomorrow

                                should weep aloud and mourn

                                            around the corpse of today!

 
[Tamil poem by  PATTINATHAR (10th century A.D)  rendered into English by Sage TGN]

Namaskar.

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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2012, 04:21:20 PM »
Dear Ravi, Nagaraj,

Thanks. Incidentally the song that I originally referred, is by Pattinathar and not by Ramalinga Swamigal.
I am sorry for the error.

Pattinathar and Ramalinga Swamigal are considered to be Jnanis with siddhic powers. In fact, you can see some of
their songs in Siddhars' Songs books in Tamizh. A good collection has been published by Vanathi Padippagam, Chennai
600 017. Ramalinga Swamigal's complete works has been recently published by Vardamanan Padippagam, North Usman
Road, Chennai. This consists of totally 8 volumes one volume being his prose works.

In this context, I remember Umapati Sivam, a brahmin dikshitar of Chidambram Temple. By turn the priests (dikshitars) do
abhishekam and alankaram and arti for Nataraja. A period of 15 days came which was Umapati Sivam's turn.  In those days
they used to take bath at home before proceeding for each time's abhishekam etc., after adorning rudraksha and vibhuti.
There will be a palanquin on which such a priest will be carried to the temple, with torches carried by men on four quarters.

Once Umapati Sivam was proceeding to the temple for ucchi kala puja, noon time puja, on the palanquin by four people
and torches burning.  One mad man was walking near the palanquin.  He suddenly looked at Umapati Sivam and laughed
roaringly, and said: Settha piNathin mel sAhAdha piNam onRu pohuthu pAr, pohuthu pAr  pahal kurudu....

Settha piNam - the bamboo palanquin.
SAhadha piNam - the living dikshitar
pahal kurudu - as if day blind, torches are burnt around the palanquin.

Umapati Sivam understood the meaning, because he was already an erudite scholar. He jumped out of the palanquin and chased
the mad man. The man ran fast and he chased him. Finally near Ammapet, outskirts of Chidambaram, he caught hold of the mad man.
He prostrated to him. The mad man took the red hot ganji (that was kept to apply on the threads of yarn that were being weaved;
even today this place is famous for yarn making and cloth weaving), and poured it on the palms of Umapati Sivam. Umapati Sivam
took it and he got the wisdom in a jiffy. He left the temple work and was going behind the mad man. He is said to be AruL
Nandi Sivam, the guru of Umapati Sivam. He later wrote Kunjitanghristavam, a work praising the curved foot of Nataraja.

Arunachala Siva.