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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1650 on: March 10, 2013, 09:28:15 AM »
:) Its not a question of who debates whom.
its ideas ... we discuss ideas, not people.

if an idea is wrong, ill definitely state it so ... no matter who says it.
ofcourse if i do not see some wrong ideas stated or if i am not a part of the discussion , it may go on ...
as long as i am a part of discussion  i will explicitly state a wrong idea as wrong... and if needed ill explain it.

I do not seek audience poll whether or not i should dismiss an idea ... this is not abt politics and democracy.
this is about proper rigor and Correct vision.
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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1651 on: March 10, 2013, 01:47:00 PM »
"Your own Self-Realization is the greatest service you can render the world."

(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1652 on: March 10, 2013, 01:54:36 PM »
Friends,
Ideas are only serviceable.There is no such a thing as a true idea or a true vision.
As long as the stamp of egotism is there,one will insist 'my watch alone shows correct time'.
Namaskar.

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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1653 on: March 10, 2013, 02:04:15 PM »
Friends,
Ideas are only serviceable.There is no such a thing as a true idea or a true vision.
As long as the stamp of egotism is there,one will insist 'my watch alone shows correct time'.
Namaskar.

Unfortunately for us you are right. :)
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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1654 on: March 10, 2013, 02:08:53 PM »
"It is false to speak of realisation. What is there to realise? The real is as it is always. We are not creating anything new or achieving something which we did not have before. The illustration given in books is this. We dig a well and create a huge pit. The space in the pit or well has not been created by us. We have just removed the earth which was filling the space there. The space was there then and is also there now. Similarly we have simply to throw out all the age-long samskaras [innate tendencies] which are inside us. When all of them have been given up, the Self will shine alone."

(Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi)
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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1655 on: March 10, 2013, 02:52:46 PM »
Friends,
Ideas are only serviceable.There is no such a thing as a true idea or a true vision.
As long as the stamp of egotism is there,one will insist 'my watch alone shows correct time'.
Namaskar.

So anyone rejects any wrong idea, this can be said ! :)

now starts an attempt to prove that "I am egoistic " :D ... what would anyone avail from it ?
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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1656 on: March 10, 2013, 02:58:36 PM »
Before we do anything, let's each of us defeat his/her own Mara. :) This is what also Sri Ravi wanted to say I think. :)

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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1657 on: March 10, 2013, 03:01:48 PM »
Dear Hari,
      :) The defeat of Mara lies in recognition that he is not there. The moment i say he is there , already i have given him an importance and strength he does not have ... and he obviously wins coz he is made real by you ... like thte vali case ... you have already given him half the strength,
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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1658 on: March 10, 2013, 03:09:42 PM »
Dear Hari,
      :) The defeat of Mara lies in recognition that he is not there. The moment i say he is there , already i have given him an importance and strength he does not have ... and he obviously wins coz he is made real by you ... like thte vali case ... you have already given him half the strength,

Yes, it is so. The question is do we really recognize his non-existence now. That is the only question. If we do, we have nothing more to do in life.
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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1659 on: March 10, 2013, 03:16:31 PM »
Dear Hari,
   :)
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Yes, it is so. The question is do we really recognize his non-existence now. That is the only question. If we do, we have nothing more to do in life.

If you want to see it as non-real or non-existent you should stop finding reasons to justify why you see it as real.
if you still see it as real ... make efforts to convince yourself that it is not real. trying to get rid of it giving it a reality is not going to help.

"Stop believing its real" says Annamalai Swami. Thats the first thing. Suppose you say "I AM BOUND" ... it means who holds you captive ? Mara. And thats exactly what you have to see as unreal!

A person who wants to see it as non-existing would not try to prove others also that "You are bound"... he tries to take help and do what ever he can to get rid of his fear.
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Be lost in the Call - Rumi
« Reply #1660 on: March 10, 2013, 04:38:28 PM »
Be Lost in the Call

Lord, said David, since You do not need us,
why did you create these two worlds?

Reality replied: O prisoner of time,
I was a secret treasure of kindness and generosity,
and I wished this treasure to be known,
so I created a mirror: its shining face, the heart;
its darkened back, the world;
The back would please you if you've never seen the face.

Has anyone ever produced a mirror out of mud and straw?
Yet clean away the mud and straw,
and a mirror might be revealed.

Until the juice ferments a while in the cask,
it isn't wine. If you wish your heart to be bright,
you must do a little work.

My King addressed the soul of my flesh:
You return just as you left.
Where are the traces of my gifts?

We know that alchemy transforms copper into gold.
This Sun doesn't want a crown or robe from God's grace.
He is a hat to a hundred bald men,
a covering for ten who were naked.

Jesus sat humbly on the back of an ass, my child!
How could a zephyr ride an ass?
Spirit, find your way, in seeking lowness like a stream.
Reason, tread the path of selflessness into eternity.

Remember God so much that you are forgotten.
Let the caller and the called disappear;
be lost in the Call.
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Be lost in the Call - Rumi
« Reply #1661 on: March 10, 2013, 05:01:51 PM »
O you who've gone on pilgrimage -
where are you, where, oh where?
Here, here is the Beloved!
Oh come now, come, oh come!
Your friend, he is your neighbor,
he is next to your wall -
you, erring in the desert -
what air of love is this?
If you'd see the Beloved's
form without any form -
you are the house, the master,
you are the Kaaba, you! . . .
Where is a bunch of roses,
if you would be this garden?
Where, one soul's pearly essence
when you're the Sea of God?
That's true - and yet your troubles
may turn to treasures rich -
how sad that you yourself veil
the treasure that is yours!
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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1662 on: March 10, 2013, 05:05:09 PM »
 d: Your posts are egoistic. Kill your Mara first.

cguru: You are underestimating the problem.

d: What underestimation? Buddha did it. You too can.

cguru: This Mara does not exist, the mind itself being Mithya and hence ignored. So you cannot attribute the postings to mind. The body is by itself Jada, the Self being the sentience of it. So you cannot attribute the postings to the body. The Self is ever actionless. So you cannot attribute the postings to the Self. So you are dealing with an entity which is neither the body, nor the mind, nor the Self. Now you tell me, who will take what action? Over and above this you do not have the administrative rights to delete the posts yourself.

d: (with both hands over his head) O my God!

cguru: Do not worry. This is a new paradigm known as Realization through puzzle. Once you get it you are free immediately.
Homage to the Universal Being...Om Shanti ... Om Shanti ... Om Shanti ...

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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1663 on: March 10, 2013, 05:08:13 PM »
its called confusion between vyavaharika and paramarthika and non-understanding of bhagagyagalakshanam ... not realization through puzzle.
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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1664 on: March 10, 2013, 05:13:04 PM »
udai,

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now starts an attempt to prove that "I am egoistic " ... what would anyone avail from it ?


If you go through the discussion(or Debate),you have been totally dumb on what you mean by 'Freedom'...then you called it 'Wisdom' ...then you called it 'self-abidance'.....all just words.You assumed that I want to prove that you are 'Bound'!!!It is clearly for you to see!
Towards the end you just say:
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instead of constantly saying "who wants to put forth his ideas" ... and in this statement itself you are putting forth your idea and yet ... like holding the nose of the purohit example which you gave you continued ... it was not at all necessary and obviously there was no reasoning involved other than some belief statements !!
what can be discussed about a belief ... God alone knows !!

All totally disconnected set of ideas and statements that even a school kid will hesitate to make! :)

When silentgreen posts something ,you are smelling something there which you need to contest!

I have concluded the discussion yesterday but I find it continuing and usually I would have left it there;in your case,I  make an exception to point out that most of your arguements here are only apparently rational but always get into the irrational and childish 'Give it back' type of Behaviour.A Back to Basics approach may help more than ashtavakra Gita or Yoga Vasishta!

Namaskar.