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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1726 on: March 15, 2013, 11:50:11 AM »
Beautiful...   :)



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« Reply #1727 on: March 15, 2013, 11:55:24 AM »

"They say that I am dying, but I am not going away. Where could I go? I am here."
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« Reply #1728 on: March 15, 2013, 12:02:47 PM »
The most beautiful,and sweetest words... Thank You,dear Hari!



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Question about Brahmacharya
« Reply #1730 on: March 15, 2013, 04:52:31 PM »
Why most of the teachers that Self-realization is impossible in this life if complete celibacy is not maintained? They say that Kundalini must be raised and there is no any hope this to happen without brahmacharya (complete sex abstinence). That mind cannot contemplate on reality unless the sexual energy is not transformed in spiritual. There are people who are married and have become Self-realized. But marriage necessary means that they have had sex with their wives/husbands? I cannot bring this topic again because almost always when I read some commentary on Indian spirituality, no matter the philosophy, brahmacharya is prerequisite. Even Bhagavan has said that Self-realization is not possible without finally drop off sexual life.
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« Reply #1731 on: March 15, 2013, 05:01:06 PM »
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Brahmacharya means living in self-control with respect to all our sense enjoyments and does not mean their total denial. The world of objects is meant for us to enjoy and the scriptures do not deny us the freedom to enjoy them. They merely advise us to be masters of our enjoyments and not allow them to dominate and enslave us.


With a heart full of lover, our preceptors cry out – Enjoy the world but let not the world enjoy you. You may eat food, let not the food eat you. You may drink but let not the drink, drink you.


The interpretation of the word Brahmacharya has been so badly contorted and distorted that the real significance and value of this discipline has been lost. It is popularly misunderstood to mean complete abstinence from sexual life. This is absurd. What the ‘Mahatmas’ advise us is to abstain from excessive indulgence in any sensual pleasure.


Swami Chinmayananda


(Source: Excerpts from an article titled Fundamentals of Living in the book Kindle Life by Swami Chinmayananda)


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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1732 on: March 15, 2013, 05:08:02 PM »
So it does have not to do with loss of energy which is detrimental to realization?
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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1733 on: March 15, 2013, 05:11:20 PM »
:) Loss of Energy :D
You are Self, right now !
What can you lose ?
What will you gain ?

You are the Self.

what they mean is excess indulgence will make your mind dumb ... coz its no more ready to appreciate anything else ... its like a drugged mind. that should not happen.
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« Reply #1734 on: March 15, 2013, 05:16:22 PM »
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The physical body longs for contact with the world of objects in order to gain sense gratification. The eyes wish to see beautiful forms and colors, the tongue craves good food, the nose likes to smell pleasant fragrances and so on. But when we continue to live only for the gratification of our sensual demands, passions multiply and ultimately consume us. To avoid such a condition, discipline (brahmacharya) at the physical level is prescribed. The meaning of the word brahmacharya has been so badly distorted that the real value of this discipline has been lost. Brahmacharya is an attitude of intelligent contact with the world. It does not mean a total denial of the sense enjoyments, but only insists on not overdoing anything. Thus to read, watch television, talk, or walk too much, or to eat a morsel more than necessary would be considered as breaking the vow of brahmacharya. When we live in self-control we discover in ourselves a renewed dynamism, and become pillars of strength in society. If this sacred doctrine is not followed, we abdicate our freedom and become slaves to the everchanging circumstances of life. Thus, brahmacharya is a value to be lived at the physical level.

---> swami chinmayananda
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« Reply #1735 on: March 15, 2013, 05:20:27 PM »
Because yogis say that semen is our power, our Atman, God in motion and so on and we must preserve it very strictly if we want 'progress' toward Self-realization. I feel sometimes that some yogis are obsessed by this idea.
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« Reply #1736 on: March 15, 2013, 05:21:48 PM »
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Because yogis say that semen is our power, our Atman, God in motion and so on and we must preserve it very strictly if we want 'progress' toward Self-realization. I feel sometimes that some yogis are obsessed by this idea.

:) may be ... may be not. The suggestion is probably for a different reason. or may be a different perspective.
for householders dharmic indulgence is ok. and never in excess.
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« Reply #1737 on: March 15, 2013, 05:24:24 PM »
Hari,
An excerpt from Swami Vivekananda's Raja -Yoga:
The Yogi alone has the Sushumna open. When this Sushumna current opens, and begins to rise, we get beyond the sense, our minds become supersensuous, superconscious — we get beyond even the intellect, where reasoning cannot reach. To open that Sushumna is the prime object of the Yogi. According to him, along this Sushumna are ranged these centres, or, in more figurative language, these lotuses, as they are called. The lowest one is at the lower end of the spinal cord, and is called Mulâdhâra, the next higher is called Svâdhishthâna, the third Manipura, the fourth Anâhata, the fifth Vishuddha, the sixth Âjnâ and the last, which is in the brain, is the Sahasrâra, or "the thousand-petalled". Of these we have to take cognition just now of two centres only, the lowest, the Muladhara, and the highest, the Sahasrara. All energy has to be taken up from its seat in the Muladhara and brought to the Sahasrara. The Yogis claim that of all the energies that are in the human body the highest is what they call "Ojas". Now this Ojas is stored up in the brain, and the more Ojas is in a man's head, the more powerful he is, the more intellectual, the more spiritually strong. One man may speak beautiful language and beautiful thoughts, but they, do not impress people; another man speaks neither beautiful language nor beautiful thoughts, yet his words charm. Every movement of his is powerful. That is the power of Ojas.
 

Now in every man there is more or less of this Ojas stored up. All the forces that are working in the body in their highest become Ojas. You must remember that it is only a question of transformation. The same force which is working outside as electricity or magnetism will become changed into inner force; the same forces that are working as muscular energy will be changed into Ojas. The Yogis say that that part of the human energy which is expressed as sex energy, in sexual thought, when checked and controlled, easily becomes changed into Ojas, and as the Muladhara guides these, the Yogi pays particular attention to that centre. He tries to take up all his sexual energy and convert it into Ojas. It is only the chaste man or woman who can make the Ojas rise and store it in the brain; that is why chastity has always been considered the highest virtue. A man feels that if he is unchaste, spirituality goes away, he loses mental vigour and moral stamina. That is why in all the religious orders in the world which have produced spiritual giants you will always find absolute chastity insisted upon. That is why the monks came into existence, giving up marriage. There must be perfect chastity in thought, word, and deed; without it the practice of Raja-Yoga is dangerous, and may lead to insanity. If people practice Raja-Yoga and at the same time lead an impure life, how can they expect to become Yogis?

All The Great ones have indeed emphasized this aspect-The question is how the aspirant has to inculcate this.I have recommended the Book-Spiritual Practice by Swami Ashokananda.It covers this aspect besides the other aspects in a nice way.
Namaskar.

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Re: Fundamental question about Mind!
« Reply #1738 on: March 15, 2013, 05:27:44 PM »
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Because yogis say that semen is our power, our Atman, God in motion and so on and we must preserve it very strictly if we want 'progress' toward Self-realization. I feel sometimes that some yogis are obsessed by this idea.

:) may be ... may be not. The suggestion is probably for a different reason. or may be a different perspective.
for householders dharmic indulgence is ok. and never in excess.

What is dharmic? Dharmic according to Hinduism or Buddhism or Islam? Muslims may have many wives and to have sex with each one. Buddhists does not support marriage as I know. What about homosexual couple?
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« Reply #1739 on: March 15, 2013, 05:30:35 PM »
Dharma is basic commonsense... do not do something you do not want others to do to you.
so illicit sex ... not allowed.
back biting ... not allowed.
not being straight and direct ... not allowed.
looking down upon others ... not allowed .


it sums up to buddha's summary of what is right conduct.
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