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Re: Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi:
« Reply #90 on: March 03, 2013, 12:03:47 PM »
Talks No. 476:

Dr. Stanley Jones's conversation continues......

Devotee: But I want to be wide awake,

Maharshi: Is this your wide awakened state?  It is not. It is only a dream in your long sleep. All are in sleep, dreaming, of the
world and things and actions.

Devotee: This is all Vedantic. I have no use for it. The existing differences are not imaginary. They are positive.  However, what is that
real waking? Can Maharshi tell us what He has found it to be?

Maharshi: Real waking lies beyond the three states of waking, dream, and deep sleep.

Devotee: I am really awake and know that I am not in sleep.

Maharshi: Real waking lies beyond the plane of differences.

Devotee: What is the state of the world then?

Maharshi: Does the world come and tell you 'I exist'?

Devotee: No. But the people in the world tell me that the world needs spiritual, social and moral regenaration.

Maharshi:  You see the world and the people in it. They are your thoughts. Can the world be apart from you?

Devotee: I enter into it with love.

Maharshi: Before entering thus do you stand aloof?

Devotee: I am identifying with it and yet remaining apart. Now I came to ask Maharshi and hear Him.. Why does He ask me
questions?

Maharshi: Maharshi has replied. His reply amounts to this. Real waking does not involve differences.

Devotee: Can such realization be universalized? 

Maharshi:  Where are differences there?  There are no individuals in it.

Devotee: Have you reached the goal?

Maharshi: The goal cannot be anything apart from the Self nor can it be something to be gained afresh.  If that were so, such goal
cannot be abiding and permanent.  What appears anew will also disappear. The goal must be eternal and within. Find it within yourself.

Devotee: I want to know your experience.

Maharshi: Maharshi does not seek enlightenment.  The question is of the no use to the questioner. Whether I have realized or not,
how does it affect the questioner?

Devotee: Not so. Each one's experience has a human value in it and can be shared by others.

Maharshi: The problem must be solved by the questioner himself. The question is best directed to oneself.

Devotee: I know the answer to the question.

Maharshi: Let us have it.

Devotee> It was shown the Kingdom of Heaven twenty years ago. It was by God's grace only. I made no effort for it. I was happy.
I want to universalize, moralize and socialize it. At the same time I want to know Maharshi's experience of the Divine.

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Re: Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi:
« Reply #91 on: March 04, 2013, 10:53:09 AM »
Talks No. 476:

Dr. Stanley Jones' conversation continues......

Mrs. Jinarajadasa intervened and spoke softly: We all agree that Maharshi has brought the Kingdom of Heaven  on Earth. Why do
you press Him to answer your questions relating to His realization? It is for you to seek and gain it.

The questioner listened to her, argued slightly and resumed his questions to Maharshi.  After one or two light questions,
Major Chadwick spoke sternly: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you." says the Bible.

Devotee: How shall I realize it?

Major Chadwick: Why do you ask Maharshi to realize it for you?

Devotee: I do not.

Major Chadwick: The Kingdom  is within you.  You should realize it.

Devotee: It is WITHIN you only for those who hear it.

Major Chadwick: The Bible says WITHIN YOU and adds no qualifications.

The questioner felt his conversations was already too long, and so retired after thanking Maharshi and others.

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Re: Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi:
« Reply #92 on: March 05, 2013, 01:10:13 PM »
Talks No. 477:

Mrs. Jinarajadasa: How shall we be able to remember the truth experienced in dreams?

Maharshi: Your present waking state, your dreams and your desires to remember are all thoughts.  They arise only after the mind
has arisen. Were you not existing in the absence of the mind?

Devotee: Yes, I was.

Maharshi: The fact of your existence is also your realization.

Devotee: I understand it intellectually. The truth is felt in temporary flashes only. It is not abiding.

Maharshi: Such thoughts smother up the state of your eternal realization.

Devotee: The rough and tumble of town life is not congenial to realization. Jungle retreats afford the necessary quiet and solitude.

Maharshi: One can be free in a town and may yet be bound in jungle retreats. It is all in the mind.

Devotee: The mind again is Maya, I suppose.

Maharshi: What is Maya? The knowledge that the mind is divorced from the Reality is Maya. The mind is in Reality only and not apart.
This knowledge is the elimination of Maya.

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« Reply #93 on: March 06, 2013, 10:33:28 AM »
Talks No. 478:

A certain man from Madurai asked:  How to know the Power of God?

Maharshi:  You say 'I AM'. That is it. What else can say I AM?

One's own being is His Power.  The trouble arises only when one say, 'I am this or that, such and such.'  Do not do it. ---
Be yourself.  That is all.

Devotee: How to experience Bliss?

Maharshi: To be free from thinking 'I am now out of Bliss.'

Devotee: That is to say free from modes of mind.

Maharshi: To be with only one mode of mind to the exclusion of others.

Devotee: But Bliss must be experienced.

Maharshi: Bliss consists in not forgetting your being. How can you be otherwise than what you really are?  It is also to be the
Seat of Love. Love is Bliss. Here the Seat is not different from Love.

Devotee: How shall I be all pervading?

Maharshi: Give up the thought, 'I am not all pervading now.'

Devotee: How to permeate the separate objects?

Maharshi: Do they exist independently of 'I'?  Do they say to you, 'We are'?  You see them. You are, and then the objects are also
seen. 'Without me, these do not exist'. --- this knowledge is permeation.  Owing to the idea 'I am the body; there is something in me.'
the separate objects are seen as if lying outside. Know that they are all within yourself.  Is a piece of cloth independent of yarn?
Can the objects remain without Me?

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« Reply #94 on: March 07, 2013, 01:16:13 PM »
Talk No. 479:

Devotee: Which is the best of all the religions?  What is Sri Bhagavan's method?

Maharshi:  All religions and methods are one and the same.

Devotee: Different methods are taught for liberation.

Maharshi: Why should you be liberated?  Why not remain as you are now?

Devotee: I want to get rid of pain. To be rid of it is said to be liberation.

Maharshi: That is what all  religions teach.

Devotee: But what is the method?

Maharshi: To retrace your way back.

Devotee: Whence have I come?

Maharshi: This is what you should know. Did these questions arise in your sleep?  Did you not exist then?  Are you not the same
being now?

Devotee: Yes. I was in sleep. So also the mind; but the senses had merged, so I could not not speak.

Maharshi: Are you jiva?  Are you the mind? Did the mind announce itself to you in sleep?

Devotee: No. But elders say that the Jiva is different from Isvara.

Maharshi: Leave Isvara alone. Speak for yourself.

Devotee: What about myself? Who am I?

Maharshi: That is just it. Know it, when all will be known, if not, ask then.

Devotee: On waking I see the world and I am not changed from sleep.

Maharshi: But this is not known in sleep. Now or then, the same you remain.  Who has changed now?  Is your nature to be
changing or remain unchanging?

Devotee: What is the proof?

Maharshi: Does one's own being require a proof?  Only remain aware of your own self, all else will be known.

Devotee: Why then do the dualists and non dualists quarrel among themselves?

Maharshi: If each one minds his own business, there will be no quarrel.

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Re: Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi:
« Reply #95 on: March 08, 2013, 01:12:52 PM »
Talks No. 480:

A European lady, Mrs. Gasque, gave a slip of paper on which was written:

We are thankful to Nature and the Infinite Intelligence for your Presence among us.  We appreciate that your Wisdom is
founded upon pure Truth and the basic principle of Life and Eternity.  We are happy that you remind us to "be still and know
That."

Then she asked: What do you consider the future of this Earth?

Maharshi: The answer to this question is contained in the other sheet. Be Still and now that I am God.  'Stillness means here
'Being free from thoughts".

Devotee: This does not answer the question.  The planet has a future -- what is it to be?

Maharshi: time and Space are functions of thoughts. If thoughts do cease, there will be no future or the Earth.

Devotee: Time and Space will remain even if we do not think of them.

Maharshi: Do they come and tell you that they are?  Do you feel them in your sleep?

Devotee: I was not conscious in my sleep.

Maharshi: Yet you were existing in your sleep.

Devotee: I was not in my body.  I had gone out somewhere and jumped in here, just  before waking up.

Maharshi:  Your having been away in sleep and jumping in now are  mere ideas. Where were you in sleep?  You were only that
you are, but with this difference, viz., that you were free from thoughts in sleep.

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Re: Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi:
« Reply #96 on: March 09, 2013, 08:58:19 AM »
Talks No. 480:

Mrs. Gasque conversation continues....

Devotee:  Wars are going on in the world.  If we do not think do the wars cease?

Maharshi:  Can you stop the wars?  He who made the world will take care of it.

Devotee:  God made the world and He is not responsible for the present condition of the world.  It is we who are responsible
for the present state.

Maharshi:  Can you stop the wars or reform the world?

Devotee:  No.

Maharshi:  Then why do you worry yourself about what is not possible for you?  Take care of yourself and the world will take
care of itself.

Devotee:  We are pacifists. We want to bring about Peace.

Maharshi: Peace is always present. Get rid of the disturbances to Peace.  This Peace is the Self.  The thoughts are the disturbances.
When free from them, you are Infinite Intelligence. i.e. the Self. There is Perfection and Peace.

Devotee: The world must have a future.

Maharshi: Do you know what is in the present?  The world and all together are the same, now as well as in the future.

Devotee: The world was made by the operation of Intelligence on ether and atoms.

Maharshi: All of them are reduced to Isvara and Sakti.  You are not now apart from Them. They and you are one and the same
Intelligence.

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« Reply #97 on: March 10, 2013, 12:32:54 PM »
Talks No. 481:

Muruganar asked what prajnana is.

Maharshi: Prajnana (Absolute Knowledge) is that from which viijnana (relative knowledge) proceeds.

Devotee:  In the state of vijanana one becomes aware of the samvid (comic intelligence). But is that Suddha Samvid aware by
itself without the aid of anatahkaranas (inner organs)?

Maharshi: It is so, even logically.

Devotee: Becoming aware of Samvid in Jagrat by vijnana, prajnana is not found self shining.  If so, it must be found in sleep.

Maharshi: The awareness is at present through the antahkaranas.  Prajnana is always shining even in sleep.  If one is
continuously aware in jagrat, the awareness will continue in sleep also.             

Moreover, it is illustrated thus:  A king comes into the Hall, sis there and leaves the place.  He did not go into the kitchen. Can one
in the kitchen for that reason, say, 'The king did not come here?'  When the awareness is found in jagrat it must also be in sleep.

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« Reply #98 on: March 11, 2013, 12:49:54 PM »
Talks No. 482:

Dr. Pande of Indore, is on a visit here. He asked leave of Sri Bhagavan, to ask questions, so that his doubts might be cleared.
He wanted to be shown practical way to realize the Self.

Maharshi:  A man was blindfolded and left in the woods.  He then enquired of the way to Gandhara from each one he met on
the way, until he finally reached it. So also all the ways lead to Self Realization. They are aids to the common goal.

Devotee:  Dhayana will be easy if there is a pratikam (symbol).  But the inquiry into the Self does not show any pratikam.

Maharshi:  You admit the existence of the Self. Do you point to the pratikam (symbol) and say that it is the Self?  May be you
think the body is the Self. But consider your deep sleep.  You do not exist then. What is the pratikam there?  So the Self can be
realized without pratikam. 

Devotee: Quite true. I see the force of the words.  But yet are not mantras etc., helpful?

Maharshi:  They are helpful.  But what is mantra?  You are thinking of the simple sounds of the mantra. Repetition of the same
excludes all other thoughts. The single thought of the mantra japa remains.  That too drops away giving place to the Infinite Self,
which is the mantra itself.

Mantra, dhyana, bhakti etc., are all aids and finally lead to the Svarupa, the Self, which is they themselves.

After a few minutes, Maharshi continued:

Everyone is the Self, indeed Infinite. Yet each one mistakes the body for the Self.  To know anything, illumination is necessary.
Such illuminating agency can only be in the form of light which is however lighting the physical light and darkness. So then, that other
Light likes beyond the apparent light and darkness.  It is itself neither light nor darkness but is said to be Light because It illumines
both.  It is also Infinite and remains as Consciousness.  Consciousness is the Self of which everyone is aware.  No one is away from
the Self. So each one is Self-realized. Yet, what a mystery that no one knows this fundamental fact, and desires to realize the Self.
This ignorance is due to the mistake of the body for the Self. Realization is not anything newly got. It must already be there in order that it may be permanent.  Otherwise, Realization is not worth attempting.

After the false notion that 'I am the body' or 'I have not realized' is removed, Supreme Consciousness or the Self alone is left over,
which is however, called Realization in the present state of knowledge.  However, the truth is that Realization is eternal and already
there, here and now.

Finally, Realization amounts to to elimination of ignorance and nothing more or less.

Devotee:  My profession requires my stay in my place. I cannot remain in the vicinity of the sadhus. Can I have realization even in
the absence of sat sangha as necessarily be my circumstances?

Maharshi: Sat is Aham pratyaya saram = the Self of selves.  The sadhu  is that Self of selves. He is immanent in all. Can anyone
remain without the Self?  No. So no one is away from sat sangha.

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Re: Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi:
« Reply #99 on: March 12, 2013, 01:14:42 PM »
Talks No. 483:

Mr. Sitaramiah, a visitor:  What does samyamana mean in Patanjali Yoga Sutra?

Maharshi: One pointedness of the mind.

Devotee: By such samyamana in the Heart, chitta samvid is said to result.  What does it mean?

Maharshi: Chitta samvit is Atma Jnana i.e. Knowledge of the Self.

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« Reply #100 on: March 13, 2013, 12:10:10 PM »
Talks No. 484:

Devotee:  I think that celibacy and initiation are prerequisites even for a householder in order that he may succeed in self
investigation. Am I right?

Or can a householder observe celibacy and seek initiation from a master on occasions only?

Maharshi:  First ascertain who the wife and the husband are.  Then these questions will not arise.

Devotee: Engaged in other pursuits, can the mental activities be checked and query Who am I? pursued?  Are they not contrary
to each other?

Maharshi: These questions arise only in the absence of strength of mind.  As the mental activities diminish, its strength increases.

Devotee: Does the Karma theory mean that the world is the result of action and reaction?  If so, action and reaction of what?

Maharshi:  Until realization, there will be karma i.e,., action and reaction; after realization there will be no karma, no world.

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« Reply #101 on: March 14, 2013, 12:21:17 PM »
Talks No. 485:

Devotee: While engaged in Atma Vichara, I fall asleep.  What is the remedy for it?

Maharshi: Do nama sankirtana (singing the name of God).

Devotee: It is ruled out in sleep.

Maharshi: True.  The practice should be continued while awake. Directly you wake up from sleep, you must resume it. The
sleeper does not care for Atma Vichara. So he need not practice anything. The waking self desires it and so he must do it.

In the course of conversation, Sri Bhagavan continued:  The mind is something mysterious. It consists of sattva, rajas and tamas.
The latter two give rise to vikshepa.  In the sattva aspect, it remains pure and uncontaminated. so there are no thoughts there
and it is identified with the Self. The mind is like akasa (ether). Just as there are the objects in akasa, so there are thoughts in
the mind.  The akasa is the counterpart of the mind and objects are of thought. 

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Re: Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi:
« Reply #102 on: March 15, 2013, 12:57:03 PM »
Talks No. 486:

Afternoon:

Devotee: What is the object of Self Realization?

Maharshi: Self Realization is the final goal and it is the end in itself.

Devotee: I mean, what is the use of Self Realization?

Maharshi: Why should you seek Self Realization?  Why do you not rest content with your present state?  It is evident that you
are discontented with the present state. The discontent is at and if you realize the Self.

Devotee: What is that Self Realization which removes the discontent?  I am in the world and there are wars in it. Can Self
Realization, put an end to it?

Maharshi: Are you in the world?  Or is the world in you?

Devotee: I do not understand. The world is certainly around me.

Maharshi: You speak of the world and happenings in it. They are mere ideas in you.  The ideas are in the mind. The mind is within
you. And so the world is  within you.

Devotee: I do not follow you. Even if I do not think of the world, the world is still there.

Maharshi: Do you mean to say that the world is apart from the mind and it can exist in the absence of the mind?

Devotee:  Yes.

Maharshi: Does the world exist in your deep sleep?

Devotee: It does.

Maharshi: Do you see it in your deep sleep?

Devotee: No. I don't. But others, who are awake, see it.

Maharshi: Are you so aware in your sleep?   Or do you become aware of the other's knowledge now?

Devotee: In my waking state.

Maharshi: So you speak of waking knowledge and not of sleep experience. The existence of the world in your waking state
and dream states is admitted because they are the products of your mind. The mind is withdrawn in sleep and the world is
in the condition of a seed. It becomes manifest over again when you wake up. The ego springs forth, identifies itself first with
the body, and then sees the world. So the world is a mental creation.

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« Reply #103 on: March 16, 2013, 12:07:27 PM »
Talks No. 487:

Afternoon:

continues........

Devotee: How can it be?

Maharshi: do you not create a world in your dream? The waking state is also a long drawn out dream. There must be a seer behind
the waking and dream experiences.  Who is that seer?  Is it the body?

Devotee: It cannot be.

Maharshi: Is it the mind?

Devotee: It must be so,

Maharshi: But you remain in the absence of the mind.

Devotee: How?

Maharshi: In deep sleep.

Devotee:  I do not know if I am then.

Maharshi: If you were  not,  how do your recollect yesterday's experiences?  Is it possible that there was a break in the continuity of the
'I' during sleep?

Devotee: It may be.

Maharshi: If so, a Johnson may wake up as a Benson. How will the identity of the individual be established?

Devotee: I do not know.

Maharshi: If this argument is not clear, follow a different line.  You admit 'I slept well.' 'I feel refreshed after a sound sleep.'.
So sleep was your experience. The experiencer now identifies himself with the 'I' in the speaker. So this 'I' must have been in
sleep also.

Devotee:  Yes.

Maharshi: So 'I' was in sleep, if the world was then there, did it say that it existed?

Devotee: No. But the world tells me its existence now. Even if I deny its existence, I may knock myself against a stone and hurt my
foot. The injury proves the existence of the stone and so of the world.

Maharshi:  Quite so.  The stone hurts the foot. Does the foot say that there is the stone? 

Devotee:  No. ---- 'I'.

Maharshi: Who is this 'I'? It cannot be the body, nor the mind as we have seen before. This 'I' is the one who experiences the waking,
dream and deep sleep states.  The three states are changes which do not affect the individual. The experiences are like pictures passing on a screen in the cinema.  The appearance and disappearance of the pictures do not affect the scene. So also, the three states, alternate with one another leaving the Self unaffected. The waking and the dream states are creations of the mind. So the Self
covers all.  To know that the Self remains happy in its perfection is Self Realization. Its use lies in the realization of the Perfection and thus of Happiness.

Devotee: Can it be complete happiness to remain Self realized if one does not contribute to the happiness of the world?  How can one
be so happy when there is a war in Spain, a war in China?  Is it not selfishness to remain Self realized without helping the world?

Maharshi: The Self was pointed out to you to cover the universe and also transcend it. The world cannot remain apart from the Self.
If the realization of such Self can be called selfishness that selfishness must cover the world also. It is nothing contemptible.

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2nd May 1938:

Afternoon - continues....

Devotee: Does not the realized man continue to live just like a non realized being?

Maharshi:  Yes, with this difference that the realized being does not see the world as being apart from the Self, he possesses the
true knowledge and the internal happiness of being perfect, whereas the other person sees the world apart, feels imperfection,
and is miserable. Otherwise their physical actions are similar.

Devotee: The realized being also knows that there are wars being waged in the world, just like the other man.

Maharshi: Yes.

Devotee: How then can he be happy?

Maharshi: Is the cinema screen affected by a scene of fire burning or sea rising? So is with the Self.

The idea that I am the body or the mind is so deep that one cannot get over it even if convinced or otherwise. One experiences a
dream and knows it to be unreal only on waking. Waking experiences is unreal in other states. So each state contradicts the others.
They are therefore mere changes taking place in the seer, or phenomena appearing in the Self, which is unbroken and remains unaffected by them.

Just as the waking, dream and sleep states are phenomena, so also birth, growth, and death are phenomena in the Self, which
continues to be unbroken and unaffected.  Birth and death are only ideas. They pertain to the body or the mind. The Self exists
before the birth of this body, and will remain after the death of this body. So it is with the series of bodies taken up in succession.
The Self is immortal.  The phenomena are changeful and appear mortal. The fear of death is of the body. It is not true of the
Self. Such fear is due to ignorance.  Realization means True Knowledge of the Perfection and Immortality of the Self. Mortality  is only
an idea and cause of misery.  You get rid of it by realizing the Immortal nature of the Self.

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