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atmavichar100

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Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussions
« on: January 17, 2013, 07:07:58 PM »
Dear All

I have opened a separate thread  "Pointers from Bhagwan - For Reading Only " .
The link to the same is given below :
http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7564.0
That is only for contemplative reading and reflection .This thread is to discuss / pass comments on what has been read in the other thread .
Om Peace .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussions
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2013, 07:13:32 PM »
Dear Atmavichar,
         :) Here is how I understand what Ramana said:

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‘Does the jnani have a sankalpa at all? The jivanmukta can have no sankalpas whatsoever. It is just impossible.’

A Jivan Muktha sees himself as Awareness and all thoughts as mithya, so the Awareness has no thoughts. Even when the thoughts are there, the Jivan Muktha treats them as not there ... as even a mirage is seen and yet not there!

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a person’s bad karma will be considerably reduced while he is in the presence of a jnani

Presence of Jnani means when one stays with Self, Awareness. Jnani is not the physical body.
Ramana's Presence is Available now , here to all of us.

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Re: Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussions
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2013, 07:14:34 PM »
Dear atmavichar100,

Many householders, why even others come to Sri Bhagavan with a variety of requests, like their son/daughter to be married,
they should get some job, their disease should be cured etc., etc. Mere gaze of Sri Bhagavan or His Presence from which flows
the Grace are sufficient to have these things happen.
Since He has no sankalpa, thought, He does not bless them with words, However things do happen, of course, depending on
one's virulence of  prarabdha effect.  Most of the devotees's request had become a reality.  There were at least two cases where
dead came alive due to His gaze of their bodies.  But He will merely say, that it is all Arunachala's Grace. Never He owned up any
credits. 

Arunachala Siva.
 

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Re: Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussions
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2013, 07:18:27 PM »
Dear atmavichar100,

My own anxiety neurosis, (which had happened due to my resigning of job, and consequential financial problems) got cured,
by merely sitting before Him in Samadhi Hall, and crying bitterly.


Arunachala Siva.     

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Re: Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussions
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2013, 07:21:07 PM »
Tushnim , Subramaniam Sir

Appreciate your comments . Each and every individual relate to Bhagwan differently . Some are attached to the form of Bhagwan ( his picture ) ,some to his teachings , some to the Institution i.e Ramana Ashram ( in his absence they feel that is the place where one can feel his presence most ) and some a combination of all the above  .
For me Bhagwan's life is itself a great teaching and the book "Living by the Words of Bhagwan " and "Power of Presence " are equal to Upanishads  of course Bahgwan's Tamil Works like Ashara Mana Malai are equal to Vedic Hymns .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussions
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2013, 07:27:09 PM »
Dear Atmavichar100,

You wrote about Aksharamanamalai and Tiruppugzh verses. I propose to write the gist of that book, soon.

Arunachala Siva.

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Re: Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussions
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2013, 08:10:24 PM »
Dear Atmavichar100,

You wrote about Aksharamanamalai and Tiruppugzh verses. I propose to write the gist of that book, soon.

Arunachala Siva.

Sure Subramaniam Sir

Hoping to get the inputs of the same from you .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

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Re: Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussions
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2013, 09:32:01 AM »
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Siva shines within each jiva as a witness, [enabling] him [the jiva] to experience his prarabdha through his [Siva’s] presence. Whoever knows his nature to be mere being-consciousness, without imagining through ignorance that he is the experiencer of prarabdha, shines as that supreme person, Siva

What a simple description ? Can that be improved upon ?
Siva is that Witness Awareness within.
Thus abiding with Siva, as one with Siva,.. As I AM,
one simply IS.

We have to hold onto this "I AM" with real firmness ... Drdha ... Very strongly.
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Re: Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussions
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2013, 07:51:51 AM »
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Fate and Free Will :

"Forgetfulness or non-forgetfulness is not a part of your destiny. It is something you choose from moment to moment. That is what Bhagavan [Ramana Maharshi] said. He said that you have the freedom either to identify with the Self and have the understanding that the body is performing its predestined activities, animated and sustained by the power of the Self, or you can identify with the activities of the body and the mind, and in doing so forget the Self. If you choose the latter course, don't blame God or God's will, or predestination. God did not make you forget the Self. You yourself are making that choice every second of your life.""*



What a clarity! I believe taking responsibility on oneself is the first step to spiritual development. :)
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